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November 08, 2008


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Sorry about the animosity. I was having a rough week last week and I let it come through my reaction. Thank you for your questions and I realize that up until this point I have not communicated all of my thoughts and philosophies.

The reason I have come up with lists and standards for myself as a writer is to filter through all the fluff. There are so many wines being today and yet there are so few that I actually enjoy.

I found that the ones I truly enjoy are those that are low in alcohol, balanced, food friendly, complex, subtle and let the land speak through the wine. I have also found that these wines can only be produced in a certain manner.

This is the reason for all the lists. If I did not ask questions I would be stuck in one wine region for the rest of my life trying to make sense of it.

This way I can narrow down the lists of producers I enjoy to a manageable few and get to know as much as I can about them and then pass that information along to other people who enjoy the same type of wines. There is a method to my madness.

Again, I am sorry for any hostility or animosity. Please do not let it keep you from making future comments. I enjoy the thought process.


Jerry, all of those things can be discovered by an email to the winemaker. It is not that difficult. Once again if you read my other posts then you will have had your questions answered.

Next time you come to the site read The Art of Wine Tasting and Its Not About You Jancis and your questions will be better answered. I have already written about every question you ask and it is not worth my time to write it again.

I would rather spend that time researching wines so that I can know as much as possible. Thanks again.

Jerry Murray


You are creating quite a list of things that must be "known" before someone can review wines, with credability.
My question then becomes; How can anyone, with any degree of credability, review more than a handful of wines in a lifetime? Wouldn't a reviewer be limited to only reviewing wines made by thier neighbor if your criteria were strictly adhered to? Is it really possible, as you state, to know "everything that has gone into the bottle of wine you are reviewing"?
Then there is the issue of degree's; how much does one have to know about Sugar and acid levels, the "soil type" of the vineyard, the climate that year?
As a side note; do you really expect people to sit through your reviews of wines you haven't tasted, rants about indicting winemakers, and book reviews before they ask a question specific to a recent post? Generally speaking, when I see the "post a comment" section I tend to think someone is wanting to stimulate discussion. I appologize for my confusion in this matter.


Beautifully said.
I admit, what draws me in to watch Gary, is that he is so entertaining (even when he is annoying, which is more often than not).
Thanks for putting light to the subject.


Welcome back Jerry. As always I appreciate your comments, but really wish you would take the time to read everything that I have posted on this blog before you decide to ask questions.

In response to the first question the answer is yes and no. Yes dismissing points could become a bandwagon, but according to the definition it would have to become successful first to become that bandwagon. Right now it is not successful, but hopefully one day it will be. I have never "flatly dismissed scores without question." This has been a 10 year journey and until the last 3 years points were my go to. I finally realized how useless they are and that is why I am trying to convey this to other people.

There is nothing wrong with making a living in the wine business. I am trying to do just that. There is a difference between greed and making a living.

The "real knowledge" I am talking about is tangible knowledge. Where the wine was made. Sugar and acid levels at harvest, the soil type of the vineyard, the climate that year, the winemaker and his beliefs, everything that has gone into the bottle of wine you are reviewing. I watched one episode of Gary's show and he did not even know the winemaker of the wine he was reviewing let alone anything else that I mentioned.

Points are useless and if you review a wine without learning everything possible about that wine you do not have a knowledge of that wine.

Jerry Murray


Is it possible that there is more than one bandwagon? Is it possible that flatly dismissing wine scores is as 'bandwagonish' as embracing them without question?
"Gary does it in front of a camera instead of print but the same greed and lack of real knowledge are apparent." You write alot about greed in the wine bussiness. Is there really something wrong with someone making a living in the wine business?
How would you define "real knowledge" as opposed to what ever kind of knowledge Gary has gained? Who are the 'keepers' of this "real knowledge" and how did they gain it? Most importantly who determines if the knowledge is "real".

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